JUNE 8, 2025
 "US and South Africa Relations"
 with Dr. Harry Booyens   information for this show
 
FULL TWO HOURS   WE THE PEOPLE RADIO   HOUR 1  WE THE PEOPLE RADIO     HOUR 2  WE THE PEOPLE RADIO
 
About our guest Dr. Harry Booyens
Harry Booyens is an internationally recognized, multiple award winning PhD Defense & Aerospace physicist. Originally from South Africa, with a 360-year bloodline in that country, he lives with his family on the forested slopes outside Vancouver, Canada. His life as a scientist exposed him to many of the realities of the Cold War and the period immediately following the Fall of the Berlin Wall. It included interaction with the United States and British defense establishment. He applies his lifetime of research and interpretive skills to History and Genealogy, and writes with factual accuracy and engaging style on these subjects. Hard evidence is a trademark of his work and has won him a number of awards. He focuses on  making Americans aware of what is happening in South Africa, the historic parallels between the two countries, and the warning that South Africa holds for Western Civilization in general and the United States of America in particular.
 

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Links and notes:

 
 
 CIA Document from 1986 quoted on today's show:  SNIE 73-86 July 1986 (link coming soon)

​WE THE PEOPLE RADIO  President Trump throws a lifeline to South Africans being persecuted by their government.

WE THE PEOPLE RADIO  Matt Gaetz podcast clip of Julius Sello Malema (born 3 March 1981) is a South African politician. He is the founder and leader of the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF)
 

From September 1, 2024:

​Here is one little clip that I believe your audience needs to hear.
Using propaganda against Americans ( just take the bit right at the start)
 
It is Richard Stengel speaking. He was the ghostwriter for Nelson Mandela’s Book, Long walk to Freedom. In that role, he meticulously removed all references to Mandela’s role in the South African Communist Party. All this was subsequently revealed in 2011 when the raw manuscript was dug up by Stephen Ellis ( Professor at Leiden in Netherlands) and Rian Malan (Award winning post-Apartheid author in SA):
What a lost prison manuscript reveals about the real Nelson Mandela ( The Spectator newspaper carefully removed the article referred to from their accessible pages!!!!)
 
Of course, SUBSEQUENTLY, on 6 Dec 2013, the day after Mandela died, the SA Communist Party rushed to the microphones to blurt out that Mandela had been a member of their Politbureau (Central Committee). Shortly after, Stengel became Obama’s “Chief Propagandist” ( around the 2014 Crimean invasion). More recently, he played a direct role in NewsGuard, the organisation that controls what Americans hear on their Legacy Media. Just in case you do not know, the founder of Wikipedia is on there as well (!!) Go figure!!
 
Most Americans can smell something is off, but they do not know exactly what to wave the stick at: hereby, they now know.
Enjoy the Word file: a transcript of my conversation with MS-Copilot AI.
The txt file is just some notes on the subject:

 Harry Booyens in conversation with Microsoft Bing’s “Copilot” AI system:
You [Harry]
Tell me more about Richard Stengel's background.
 
èCertainly! Richard Stengel has a diverse and accomplished background. Here are some key points about his life and career:
 
  1. Early Career and Journalism:
    • Stengel began his career as a journalist, working for Time magazine for many years.
    • He held various roles at Time, including national editor, culture editor, and managing editor.
    • His work at Time allowed him to cover significant events and interview influential figures.
  2. Collaboration with Nelson Mandela:
    • One of Stengel’s most notable achievements was collaborating with Nelson Mandela on his autobiography, “Long Walk to Freedom.”
    • Mandela entrusted Stengel with the task of helping him write and shape his remarkable life story.
    • Their collaboration resulted in a powerful and widely acclaimed book that provided insights into Mandela’s struggle against apartheid and his vision for a free South Africa.
  3. Government Service:
    • Stengel transitioned from journalism to government service.
    • He served as the Under Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs under President Barack Obama.
    • In this role, he worked to promote American values, culture, and diplomacy globally.
  4. Authorship and Advocacy:
    • Stengel is an accomplished author, having written books on various topics.
    • His book “Information Wars: How We Lost the Battle Against Disinformation and What to Do About It” delves into the challenges posed by disinformation in the digital age.
    • As an advocate for press freedom, he emphasizes the importance of reliable information and the role of journalists in society.
  5. Current Role at CPJ:
    • Stengel currently serves as the Executive Director of the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ).
    • The CPJ is a vital organization that defends press freedom, supports journalists, and fights against censorship and attacks on the media.
    • Stengel’s leadership at CPJ underscores his commitment to ensuring journalists can report without fear and that the truth remains accessible to all.
In summary, Richard Stengel’s journey spans journalism, collaboration with a global icon, government service, and advocacy for press freedom. His multifaceted background reflects his dedication to promoting informed dialogue and protecting the integrity of journalism worldwide.
 
 [Harry: Violin music. Does he also walk on water? This is the man who wrote Mandela’s “auto-biography” and carefully removed his client’s connection with the SA Communist Party. But he got caught out by Riaan Malan, Reality and Mandela’s death.]
 
You [Harry]
You did not mention his creation of the Global Engagement Centre and his public justification of the need for Government propaganda.
 
èI apologize for the oversight. You are absolutely correct. Richard Stengel played a significant role in the creation of the Global Engagement Center (GEC) during his tenure as the Under Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs under President Barack Obama. Let me provide more context:
 
  1. Global Engagement Center (GEC):
    • The GEC was established in 2016 with the primary goal of countering foreign disinformation and propaganda.
    • It operates within the U.S. Department of State and collaborates with other agencies to address disinformation campaigns.
    • The GEC focuses on strategic communication, analysis, and coordination to counter misinformation and promote accurate information.
  2. Justification for Government Propaganda:
    • Stengel has publicly discussed the need for governments to engage in strategic communication.
    • He argued that while the term “propaganda” often carries negative connotations, governments should actively communicate their values and policies.
    • According to Stengel, countering disinformation requires a proactive approach, including the use of credible information channels.
  3. Complex Debate:
    • Stengel’s views have sparked debate (H: ye think!!?) about the balance between transparency, information dissemination, and potential misuse of government messaging.
    • Critics raise concerns about the fine line between legitimate communication and propaganda. (H: You mean, like NewsGuard?? See overleaf.)
    • The discussion around government messaging remains complex and multifaceted.
In summary, Richard Stengel’s involvement in the GEC and his perspectives on strategic communication highlight the ongoing challenges in an era of information warfare. Thank you for pointing out this crucial aspect of his career.
 
Harry {thinks}: My God, these people have a nerve. Do they so comprehensively believe their own BS. I guess the answer is “yes”. And they have control of everything that counts

NewsGuard as per Wikipedia*


NewsGuard is a rating system for news and information websites. It is accessible via browser extensions and mobile apps. NewsGuard Technologies Inc., the company behind the tool, also provides services such as misinformation tracking and brand safety for advertisers, search engines, social media platforms, cybersecurity firms, and government agencies.[2][3]
 
History
NewsGuard Technologies was founded in 2018 by Steven Brill and L. Gordon Crovitz, who serve as co-CEOs.[4] Investors include the Knight Foundation, Publicis, and former Reuters executive Tom Glocer.[5][6]
In April 2019, the co-founders of NewsGuard announced that they had entered talks with British internet service providers to incorporate their credibility scoring system into consumer internet packages. Under the plans, a user would see a warning message before visiting a misleading site without needing to have the NewsGuard extension installed. Users would also have the ability to disable the feature.[7]
In January 2020, NewsGuard began notifying users that it would become a paid, member-supported browser extension in early 2020, while remaining free for libraries and schools. Early adopters would get a 33% discount on the price, paying $1.95/month (USD) or £1.95/month (UK). They plan to roll out new premium features, including a reliability score, and offer new mobile apps for Android and iOS.[8]
 
Company structure
NewsGuard is based in New York City.[9] Its advisors include former officials such as:
 [ My formatting for clarity: Harry Booyens]
 All who feel safe in the hands of this lot, please raise your hands.
                                                                                                         ………… Harry Booyens (2024)
Investigative reporters of note, such as Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald have commented on Stengel and NewsGuard. Everyone knows Hayden from the NSA excesses on his watch.
Now you know why no Conservative person ever has traction on Wikipedia and the edits all lean one way. Are you still wondering why ordinary people support Trump?... seriously!? They don’t know who is pulling the strings, but they can absolutely “smell the rot”. And they can see it is out to screw them. THIS is why the USA is facing a French Revolution. And this “stalking animal” honed its skills in South Africa in the late 1980s/early 90s and then hijacked the Clintons.

 
 
 

His Book (details below): "AmaBhulu - The Birth and Death of the Second America"
His Blog (details below): https://hbooyens.wordpress.com/
His Website: www.cliffwoodfogge.com

 
Why do I focus on the United States?:
https://hbooyens.wordpress.com/2018/03/30/why-the-united-states/

( perhaps Americans should read that)
The Great Obama Reversal : LINK (my view over the Obama years..
I suspect you will enjoy it)
 
“Dying for the Land”: 
https://hbooyens.wordpress.com/2018/05/27/dying-for-the-land/
 
“Who stole the Land?":
https://hbooyens.wordpress.com/amabhulu-topics/south-africa-who-stole-the-land/
 
Radio/TV/Internet media:
Message to (then) President Elect Trump
Interview on CCN with Karin Smith and Mel Ve
 
AmaBhulu - The Birth and Death of the Second America

 
The West has finally realized that “bringing Democracy” to the Middle East and Southwest Asia is not necessarily in the best interests of Western Civilization. Radical Islam is hijacking its plans and making a mockery of Democracy itself.

In South Africa, an earlier experiment in Bestowed Democracyis failing under a burden of abuse. Much taken with its own role in undoing apartheid a full generation earlier, the West prefers to look away. It appears to treat the plight of Western people in that country as a form of required penance. In the process, it indulges what is in effect a corrupt One-Party State Kleptocracy run along the Party Congress lines of its original mentor, the defunct Soviet Union.

AmaBhulu is a view of South Africa through eyes different from those employed in fifty years of media reporting, social science, and politics. The author walks the reader from the 1652 landing of the Dutch to the present by following his own family bloodlines as example through the documented history of the country, supported by copious evidence. As settlers, soldiers, slaves, and indigenes, they farm, they fight, they triumph, and they lose. They are mercilessly impaled and massacred by savage African tyrants. They are hanged and fusilladed by an imperial overlord, and herded into concentration camps. Yet, they persevere to create a key Western Christian country; the envy of all Africa and a Cold War bulwark of the West. Eventually it falls to the author to describe the loss of his country through forces beyond his control.

In 1797 the British Royal Navy feared South Africa would become a “Second America” for Britain, while, in the 20th century, the country was to Africa what the United States was to the world. AmaBhulu describes the developing crisis in the Second America that will inevitably entangle the First America. It is a study in the death of Civilization by its own collective hand; a severe warning for the West.
 
AmaBhulu should give pause to every thinking Westerner
On Amazon:          https://www.amazon.com/dp/0992159016
 
The Book Outline:
https://cliffwoodfogge.wordpress.com/publications/amabhulu-the-book/
 
AmaBhulu the Blog: 
Posted by Harry Booyens in The Writing of AmaBhulu
 
AmaBhulu – The Birth and Death of the Second America was first published in November 2013 as an e-book, and is now also available in a 630 page B&W printed softcover edition. This work is a comprehensive study of the complete history of South Africa, but with the unique differentiation that it tracks a few real bloodlines through that entire history. AmaBhulu describes how real individuals of European and North American descent experienced that epic history on the ground. The reader is placed among these real people. The author is the first to point out that his family is in this respect “dreadfully typical” and completely representative. AmaBhulu is therefore not a family history, but a History of a Nation by way of a few example bloodlines who happened to have been at the key formative events in that history.
These bloodlines systematically converge and by the 1950s they lead to the author and his wife, proving the author’s natural DNA-based authority in writing on the subject. AmaBhulu thereby also differs from the library of books by British newspapermen talking either about or to Afrikaners who are then treated as “subjects”. In AmaBhulu the world may hear an ordinary Afrikaner—not a reporter beholden to his editor, politician beholden to his party, or government-paid political history professor beholden to his pay cheque—talking about his own people based on actual experience, backed by solid evidence. The author is beholden to no one and no thing; only to his conscience, to his ethics, and to his respect for evidence.
AmaBhulu provides more than 1280 notes in evidence and a massive 270 bibliographic entries in support of any points it makes. The evidence is often from 17th-19th century texts, communications, or diaries. In more recent cases, the evidence is provided from British Hansardrecords and recently cleared US State Department documents. The author even provides recent documented supporting evidence from the enemy he was opposing.
Join the author in the epic and painful story of the Afrikaner nation as it evolves at the southern tip of Africa to build the country that became to Africa what America was to the world in the 20th century. In one sense, it is the story of what would have happened to the United States if it had not gained independence in the 18th century.
In 1797 the British Royal Navy was concerned that South Africa would become a “Second America” and take India from them. AmaBhulu holds stern warning for the First America if it wishes to avoid the present sad fate of the Second America.
 
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