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MAY 29, 2011


Political Islam in England (repeat program)

Appearances:  Mar 20, 2011  May 29, 2011  May 27, 2012  Jun 9, 2013, Sep 14, 2014

Today's guest: Kinana Nadir (this name is an alias)


About Kinana

Kinana Nadir is an alias so that he can continue his service as an activist. Americans are proud of being a nation made up of many different religions and racial groups. However it is utopian to think that everyone can have their culture incorporated into the American dream. Why? because some cultures do not accept other cultures.     

The United States was founded as a Christian nation that gives the right to it's citizens to choose their religion. There is no law that says you have to be of a prescribed religion or race. But some of our immigrants are bringing a culture with them that intends to convert our system and dominate.
This interview with Kinana presents us with his current report on the problems associated with Islam and responses by Patriots in the UK. The information Kinana has obtained is scary.
What complicates the situation is that not all Muslim immigrants have this dominating attitude. Because cultures tend to congregate together, coupled with the extreme danger of revealing a contradictory viewpoint, the reasonable freedom loving attitude hides within many Muslims living in the free world.
* If you know someone that doesn’t realize the severity of this problem, or thinks it's not a real problem, it might be a good idea to suggest they listen to Kinana. Hopefully then their eyes will open.
We the People Radio
March 20, 2011
Dear Erin and Elizabeth,
Please find below a general outline and some of the actual text of what I wanted to, and maybe actually did, say during the recorded interview on 3 March 2011.  It is not a transcript of the recording but it might help your readers follow and understand what we spoke about during our two hours together.  Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you and your listeners.
Kind regards
Show outline:
I will make many comments and assertions about Islam but I wish to make clear from the beginning that I make a distinction between Muslims and the teachings of Islam.  A favorite quote of mine is from The French historian Ernest Renan:
“Muslims were the first victims of Islam. Many times I have observed in my travels that fanaticism comes from a small number of dangerous men who maintain others in the practice of this religion by terror. To liberate the Muslim from his religion is the best service that one can render him.”
So nothing I say should be construed as being against Muslims as a group of people who identify themselves as followers of Islam.
However, if what I say about their belief system offends them, well I say the discussion of ideas is fair game in this society so they should lighten up.  In a democratic society we should be free to speak and discuss ideas without death threats and bullying people into silence.  But we know the threats and bullying are real so we act and speak as best we can.   New Age conservative music
I understand that a couple of the basic principles of the Tea Party are:
1.     Adherence to the Constitution
2.     Limited Government
Islam teaches and encourages the total opposite of these principles.

a.  It is a political ideology which seeks to govern all aspects of life

b.  Rule by Allah, a theocracy

c.  Witness the event recently in Washington D.C. of a British Muslim Imam Anjam Choudary promoting a sharia4usa rally

d.  The relationship is one of a slave to a slave owner; Mohammed and his followers are happy to say: ‘I am a slave of Allah’; this is not a relationship of child to father for example.

The preamble of the constitution: We the People of the United States of America…
These few words, these few earth-shattering and unique words in history fly in the face of Islam because these revolutionary words very much implies a group of mature, thinking, freedom-loving individuals committed to discussion, debate, respect and action to protect and defend the constitution.
The individual does not count for much in Islam because all Muslims are slaves to Allah, individual initiative and free thinking is squashed or inhibited because of the totalitarian nature of Islam.  As one Muslim said to me with a serene confident smile on his face: ‘when Islam takes over in the UK places of free speech like Hyde Park Speakers Corner will be closed down because: Islam solves all problems and Islam answers all questions.’



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Article four of the Constitution states:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any state to the Contrary notwithstanding.
The statement that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land totally precludes Sharia, which is the law that flows from Islam, from having any effect at all in the USA.  Many people are waking up to the dangers of Islam; e.g. Oklahoma has already enacted a ban on Sharia and other states are in the process of doing the same. 
Islam, a belief system we all need to understand
Islam teaches the domination of others: of non-Muslims by Muslims, of Muslim men over Muslim women, of the true Muslim follower over the hypocrite or lukewarm or so called moderate Muslim.
A few core teachings of Islam
Islam stands on two pillars: the Quran and Mohammed
The Quran
The Qur'an contains the very words from their Allah as spoken to Mohammed via the angel Gabriel. This is a basic teaching that cannot be changed by Muslims because it is the verbatim word of their god, Allah.
What are of most concern to me are the teachings of Islam as they pertain to non-Muslims. So I will here give a few pointers to this teaching. Bear in mind that there are two elements to consider: 1. The words themselves and 2. The apparent meaning of these words as understood by some, if not most, Muslims.
In the limited period of time that we have I will quote also Al-Qaeda as one particular group of Muslims who are widely respected and looked up to by millions of Muslims. They are not just a few old men in a cave in Pakistan or the Sudan or wherever firing off emails once and awhile. Their writings are firmly based on the Quran, the Sunna, the Sira, and the historic teachings and commentaries of Islamic Scholars.
Now a few examples from the first Pillar, the Quran
Qur'an 60:4
‘There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"
            Other translations read:
            e.g. hostility and hate for ever
            e.g. enmity and hatred have appeared between us and you forever until you believe in Allah alone…
‘So there is an enmity, evidenced by fierce hostility, and an internal hate from the heart.  And this fierce hostility – that is, battle – ceases only if the infidel submits to the authority of Islam, or if his blood is forbidden from being shed [a dhimmi], or if the Muslims are [at that point in time] weak and incapable [of spreading Sharia law to the world].  But if the hate at any time extinguishes from the hearts, this is great apostasy; the one who does this [i.e. extinguishes the hate from his heart] will stand excuseless before Allah.’ 
This instruction/verse is a constant encouragement to Muslims to have a certain mind-set or attitude toward non-Muslims.  Of course, not all Muslims, fortunately, achieve this state of consciousness, or many simply reject this teaching altogether.
A dhimmi is a non-Muslim who lives under the ‘protection’ of the Muslim authorities.
Qur'an 9:73
‘O Prophet! Strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed.
Such, then is the basis and foundation of the relationship between the infidel and the Muslim.  Battle, animosity, and hatred – directed from the Muslim to the infidel – is the foundation of our religion.  And we consider this a justice and kindness to them.  The West perceives fighting, enmity, and hatred all for the sake of the religion as unjust, hostile, and evil.  But who’s understanding is right – our notions of justice and righteousness, or theirs?’
Just like cattle
Qur'an 7:179
They have hearts wherewith they understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle,- nay more misguided: for they are heedless (of warning).
The reason peaceful and harmonious coexistence is not possible is because the West, including the United Nations, do not understand the notions of ‘equality, freedom and justice’ as revealed by Mohammed.  ‘No, they mean the despicable notions, which we see today in America and Europe, and which have made the people like cattle.  Verily, Allah described them well [as per Qur'an 7:179]
There is no common ground or shared understandings possible between those who are Muslims and non-Muslims.  True religion does not ‘honor mankind’…Islam can ‘never possibly honor the Western man who rejects Allah Almighty.  Indeed, He describes him as a cow; and He has cursed him and prepared the everlasting Fire for him.’
Again this reveals an insulting attitude (to say the least) that Allah has, and Muslims are encouraged to have, toward non-Muslims.
This attitude has consequences
Make them feel subdued
Qur'an  9:29
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Some definitions:
‘His Messenger’  Mohammed
‘religion of Truth’  Islam
‘People of the Book’  Jews and Christians
‘the Jizya’  a special tax paid my non-Muslims only
Non-Muslims are to be made to feel subdued.  That is the plan and command of Allah.  And of course non-Muslims are to be brought to this condition by Muslims who are destined to rule over all non-Muslims.
‘…it is, in fact, part of our religion to impose our particular beliefs upon others.  Whoever doubts this, let him turn to the deeds of the Companions when they raided the lands of the Christians and Omar [the second Caliph] imposed upon them the conditions of dhimmi[tude]…we are to force people by the power of the sword to [our] particular understandings, customs and conditions, all in order to induce debasement and humility, just like Allah commanded when he said [read Qur'an 9:29 above]’ [emphasis in original] and;
‘Does Islam, or does it not, force people by the power of the sword to submit to its authority corporeally if not spiritually?  Yes.  There are only three choices in Islam: either willing submission; or payment of the Jizya, through physical though not spiritual, submission to the authority of Islam; or the sword – for it is not right to let him [an infidel] live.  The matter is summed up for every person alive: either submit, or live under the [authority] of Islam, or die.’
About Apostasy
Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:    Narrated 'Ikrima:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).'  I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changes his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
The constant stories we hear of Christian converts being harassed and sentenced to death go back to such statements from Mohammed and his actions.  Note here that atheists do not have the choice that ‘people of the book’ have to pay the jizya, or special tax.  They only have the choice of conversion or death.
Bukari, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 794:    Narrated Anas: 
Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine). They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophets ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die. [797] (Abu Qilaba said, "Those were the people who committed theft and murder and reverted to disbelief after being believers (Muslims), and fought against Allah and His Apostle").
My comment: Capital punishment for murder is one thing but torture is another.  And clearly the punishment here was also for apostasy.
Regarding the conditions of being ‘made to feel subdued’ or Sharia for non-Muslims, I would like to mention The pact of Umar, who is the second Rightly-guided Caliph, of 637 AD.  This is an agreement between the subdued Christians of Syria and the Muslim invaders.
There is not enough time to go through this important document but I will mention two conditions.
Christians agreed to not ‘restore any place of worship that needs restoration…’
And to not ‘teach our children the Qur'an,’
I have not spoken much of Mohammed, but I will only say that according to the Quran and Muslims, Mohammed is considered the perfect man, an ‘excellent exemplar’, and ‘an exalted standard of character.’
Islam and Human Rights
Not only is the Constitution of the United States on a collusion course with Islam so also is the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights passed in 1948.  The UK and United States are signatories of this declaration and it should therefore inform all national legislation.
Article one:
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.  They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Islam says ‘that we are not born equal, that we are slaves, that we must accept the words of the Quran despite its many logical fallacies and commands which repudiate natural conscience and that Muslims are in permanent warfare with disbelievers'.   Islam makes social and political distinctions between people based on what they profess to believe.
Article 18:
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief…
Islam says: ‘the punishment for apostasy is death.’
Sharia Law
Sharia is the legal system applied by the clergy of the Islamic faith (‘Imams’, ‘Mullahs’ and Ayatolahs’) upon Muslims and non-Muslims alike.  Its principles are derived from the teachings of the Quran, which Muslims are taught to revere as the unalterable word of God (‘Allah’) as revealed to his ‘Prophet’, Muhammad, through the agency of the Archangel Gabriel in Arabia some 1400 years ago. 
Its punishments include barbarities like stoning, beheading and limb-amputation. It has no place in any society which is even half-civilised. 
Few people realise that Islam promotes continuous warfare between believers and non-believers (‘Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful to you’ Q2:216) until all opposition to the religion is crushed under the universal rule of global Sharia Law (‘And whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) [i.e. Islam] it will not be accepted from him’ Q3.85). Islam is a totalitarian political ideology, akin to Fascism.
Qur'an 2:193: And fight with them until there is no fitnah (sedition), and religion should be only for Allah"
Some provisions (a very short list!) of Sharia Law:


no change of religion away from Islam; this is apostasy


re marriage: Muslim women can not marry a non-Muslim but a Muslim man can marry a non-Muslim woman


a Muslim man may marry up to 4 woman at any one time but the Muslim woman has no identical rights


A Muslim man is permitted to (so called) ‘marry’ a nine year old girl


no consumption of alcohol or pork


homosexuals are to be executed


no freedom of speech


death by stoning of those who commit adultery


inheritance inequality between men and women (Qur'an 4:11: ‘Allah enjoins you concerning your children: The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females;’ )
Why the hatred of Jews?
It is endemic to the ‘holy’ scriptures of Islam
Qur'an  5:60 
‘Shall I tell thee of a worse (case) than theirs for retribution with Allah? (Worse is the case of him) whom Allah hath cursed, him on whom His wrath hath fallen and of whose sort Allah hath turned some to apes and swine, and who serveth idols. Such are in worse plight and further astray from the plain road.’
And One comment from Mohammed
Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:    Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Contemporary example:
In a weekly sermon in April 2002, Al-Azhar Sheikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, the highest-ranking cleric in the Sunni Muslim world, called the Jews "the enemies of Allah, descendants of apes and pigs."
A response in UK
The English Defense League
These are patriots, who organize national demonstrations; make speeches against sharia law, special privileges for Muslims, and militant Islam; and try to put pressure on the government to do their job and protect the law abiding citizens from terrorism and the threat of terrorism. 
I have helped the EDL with some speeches to help this resistance.
Thousands attend demonstrations and are often either ignored or attacked as racists, bigots, Nazis etc. but rarely does the opposition deal with the arguments.
The EDL began in Luton in 2009 and I attended the latest rally in Luton on 5 February this year.  At least 5,000 people attended.  The opposition was effectively silenced by the numbers and arguments presented.  International speakers attended, including Rabbi Shifren, a Republican candidate for district 26, from Los Angeles, and Elizabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff from Austria who was recently convicted of ‘denigration of religious beliefs of a legally recognized religion.’   That is she told the truth about Islam in public. 
The EDL manifesto states the following goals:
Human rights: protecting and promoting human rights
Democracy And The Rule Of Law: promoting democracy and the rule of law by opposing sharia
Public Education: ensuring that the public get a balanced picture of islam
Respecting Tradition: promoting the traditions and culture of england while at the same time being open to embrace the best that other cultures can offer
International outlook: working in solidarity with others around the world


For their troubles, the three leaders of the EDL are threatened with death and live under police protection.  They are Tommy Robinson, Kevin Carol, Guramit Singh.  Kevin recently had to move his family because of an attack by a man with a shotgun.  The Rabbi Shifren needed police protection as he walked in the Muslim section of Luton the day after the demonstration.
One friend of mine is moving from his house because of not so subtle threats from his Muslim neighbors.  Another friend wants to speak out more publicly but cannot do so until he too moves to a new house.  His wife is too nervous about the effect his outspokenness has had on her and their children.  He wrote to me ‘The walls seem to be closing in on me where I live at the moment and some of the local Muslims are wise to me.’ 
These are tentative first-step suggestions to the problems raised above:
Found on the home page of along with further linked material.
The 12-point plan:
To role back the intrusion of religion into the secular state, we suggest the 12 Point Plan.
1.   Stop abuse of armed forces and reinstate the Military Covenant
2.   Stop Police and Fire service exclusion from privileged districts and buildings
3.   Stop discriminatory citizen exclusion from public areas
4.   Stop seditious statements by members of government institutions
5.   Stop hate crimes against Jews, gays and apostates
6.   Monitor and stop hate speech in all religious assemblies and publications
7.   Stop face covering in public
8.   Stop abuse of women via bigamy, forced marriage, grooming and under age FGM
9.   Stop immigration without consultation
10.   Stop foreign funding of political headquarters
11.   Stop government subsidy of communities implicated in terrorism
12.   Stop government funding of sectarian diets in public services


Kinana Nadir